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    Exclamation CTP Review - Have your say!

    OK now is the time to get stuck into the MAA (Motor Accidents Authority) on Greenslip pricing.

    They have opened up the Greenslip CTP review and are asking for community consultation.

    Have your say it is really easy to do and costs you nothing!

    This is community consultation time so make the most of it.

    Ask them - if the Motorcycle CTP liability for the past 10 years was $116mil, then why are we paying in the region of $115 mil a year for Greenslips?

    http://engage.haveyoursay.nsw.gov.au/ctpstrategy
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    Thanks Cam - I was just about to post this - but you beat me too it.

    (I would have posted it last night but my ADSL is down AGAIN! - Every time a storm comes thru our area it takes tthe DSLAM in the exchange out!)

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    Senior Pro racer Cam's Avatar
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    No worries Stan. I am likely to be on the MCC CTP committee (in the background of course). I have been chatting about it today with the old MCC chairman and put some ideas together....will see how we go!
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    http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...s-not-to-blame

    Motorcyclists not to blame in most accidents

    New data from more than 1600 motorcycle accident last year have shown 80% of accidents were caused by other road users; a fact that flies in the face of controversial BBC programme ‘How Safe are Britain’s Roads?’ shown last year.

    The BBC show claimed ‘loss of control on a bend’ was the main cause of motorcycle accidents but of the 1679 accidents analysed by insurance company Groupama NONE were caused by loss of control on a bend but four out of five were caused by other road users.

    Groupama conducted in-depth analysis of 1679 motorcycle insurance claims made during July and September 2012 – the peak time of year for claims. They found that the main cause of accidents on motorcycles is other road users either changing direction or emerging from a junction, inducing a collision.
    Groupama stated: “Of all the claims reviewed, 11 resulted in the death of the policyholder. Of this number, loss of control was the cause of the accident for three policyholders. None had lost control on a bend.

    Of the 1679 claims analysed 81% included a third party/liability aspect – that is, where the accident involved another vehicle. Just 19% were single vehicle accidents. Of those that included a third party/liability aspect, 44% resulted in the policyholder pursuing a claim against the third party for personal injury.”

    Darren Wills, Claims Director for Groupama Insurances said: “How Safe are Britain’s Roads? prompted heated discussion on online motorcyclist forums. As a leading motorcycle insurer with a specialist motorcycle claims team dealing with the unhappy consequences of accidents day in day out, we were immediately sceptical about the statements made on the programme.

    They claimed that the majority of deaths happen on rural roads with loss of control on bends being the most common cause. This simply didn’t correlate with the claims we receive and as one of the largest insurers of motorcyclists in the UK, we have a very accurate picture of the real causes of motorcycle claims.”
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    Blame the victim hey?
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    We likely to hear the findings from this?


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    Yep they should publish the findings when the inquiry is complete. Should be done by the time we have a meeting about Port Rally!
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    Information released by the Motor Accidents Authority (MAA) has caused concern among the NSW motorcycling community, with speculation that new government proposals could see the cost of greenslips drastically increased to over $2000.
    The MAA released figures yesterday to alleviate motorcyclists’ recent fears that the greenslips will soon become more expensive, but the information contained in the report has instead given riders more reason to worry.
    The numbers claim that it costs an average of $221,000 to rehabilitate motorcyclists after a crash with another vehicle, and the MAA expects proposed changes in the existing scheme to include at-fault drivers, riders, and those in single-vehicle crashes, increasing the number of motorcycle claims by 1000 every year. It is expected that these extra claims will be funded by making greenslips more expensive.
    “That could result in an increase in payouts to motorcyclists of $221 million. Just that increase alone is more than three times what we pay into the system currently. Riders are naturally worried and find it impossible to see how they can fund this without increasing our already overpriced greenslips by at least 300 per cent,” said Christopher Burns from the NSW Motorcycle Council (MCC).

    Despite assurances from the MAA that greenslips will not become more expensive, the NSW Motorcycle Alliance is calling for information from law firm Ernst & Young to be made public, so motorcyclists can be certain they will not be paying more and the true effect of the proposed scheme can be evaluated.
    http://www.lawsociety.com.au/communi...orms/index.htm
    and get the word out to all the car drivers you know as well.

    This affects everyone not just the riders, everyone, your mum your grandkids, you uncles your dentist you name it anyone that gets hurt will get hurt in the hip pocket as well.


    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - Tuesday, 4th June.

    MASSIVE GREENSLIP PRICE HIKES ON CARDS

    Information released by the Motor Accidents Authority yesterday reveal the likelihood of potentially crippling increases in greenslip premiums for NSW road users under the new proposals being championed by embattled Finance Minister, Greg Pearce.

    The bill was introduced to Parliament recently despite road user groups being assured it was many months away, and the Government is trying to ram it through quickly, before the public is made aware of the full extent of its contents.

    The new information was delivered by the MAA to the two main motorcyclist representative groups in NSW yesterday in an attempt to allay the fears that are spreading amongst the motorcycling community that they could soon be paying well in excess of $2,000 for their greenslips. However the figures contained in the letter reveal that the increases could be even more savage than first thought. On the MAA’s own numbers, it costs an average of $221,000 to rehabilitate a motorcyclist after they are involved in a crash with another vehicle, and the MAA expects the changes in the scheme to include at-fault drivers and riders and those in single vehicle crashes to increase the number of motorcycle claims by 1,000 annually.

    Christopher Burns of the MCC of NSW said “That could result in an increase in payouts to motorcyclists of $221 million. Just that increase alone is more than three times what we pay into the system currently, riders are naturally worried and find it impossible to see how they can fund this without increasing our already overpriced greenslips by at least 300%.”

    The Manager of the NSW Motorcycle Alliance, Dave Cooke, said today that “The MAA claim in their letter to us that they have had Ernst & Young go over the new proposals and that they can assure us we won’t be paying more for greenslips, but they refuse to make the information from Ernst & Young public. This lack of transparency is frightening for all road users in NSW, not just motorcyclists, and I’m sure there’s not a single car or bike or truck owner in NSW who will trust the MAA when they say we should take them at their word about greenslip pricing, given their history of failing to control the insurance companies and their massive profits from the CTP system.”

    Ironically, after all of Premier O’Farrell’s boasts that he would save us all money by getting the lawyers out of the process, all he’s done is create more profits for the insurance companies, and proposed a system that leaves the drivers and riders of NSW open to attack from predatory insurance companies without the benefit of a lawyer to protect them.

    The main winners in the new system are the big insurance companies, and their increases in profits will come from the reduced payouts to innocent road crash victims.

    The MCC of NSW and the NSW Motorcycle Alliance are calling on the Motor Accidents Authority and Finance Minister Greg Pearce to make public the Ernst & Young report into the new scheme proposed by the

    Bill and to postpone the passage of the Bill while that report is analysed by NSW Road User groups so everyone can determine the true impact. The Minister and the MAA should also tell the people of NSW exactly what the change in greenslip prices will be for each type of vehicle. If they are not prepared to sign off on a percentage increase or decrease and be held accountable for that prediction, then the new scheme should be scrapped and the current scheme should remain in place until real improvements can be made, not just improvements that satisfy the big insurers’ insatiable appetite for profits from the misery of all NSW road users.


    Info; NSW Motorcycle Alliance – Dave Cooke 1300 937 433 dcooke@motorcyclealliance.com.au MCC of NSW – Christopher Burns 0418 486 660 cjburns@ihug.com.au


    Please find attached the press release which was widely distributed yesterday afternoon. It is make-or-break right now regarding the NSW CTP system. Action and involvement is paramount, so please motivate as many people as you can to respond by:




    (as per CJ's earlier email)

    + Emailing Minister Pearce & asking him why their greenslip legislation is being shoved through quietly and without due process. office@pearce.minister.nsw.gov.au

    + Emailing the MAA directly and query why there are no figures available to back up the claims they are making about their reforms... and why they are not following due process for consultation on such matters. maa@maa.nsw.gov.au

    + Send a friendly note to Robert Borsak or Rob Brown of the Shooters & Fishers Party. We need to show the scale of this bad reform to everyone. robert.borsak@parliament.nsw.gov.au and robert.brown@parliament.nsw.gov.au

    + Same goes for Christian Democrats. f.nile@parliament.nsw.gov.au Shadow Roads Minister Ryan Park keira@parliament.nsw.gov.au and Opposition Leader John Robertson blacktown@parliament.nsw.gov.au




    Please add this press release to forums, website and share it on Facebook (preferably click 'share' from the copy on the MCC FB page so the numbers stack up).

    Dear ....,

    I am sending you this email to ask you to stop your reforms to the NSW CTP scheme.

    I am worried about what would happen to me and my family if I am injured in a car or motorcycle accident and can’t do my job.

    The proposed laws will make our CTP motor accident scheme “no-fault”. In other words, everyone can access the same compensation no matter who caused the accident.

    This means more than 7,000 additional claims will be made each year, at the same time as premiums are reduced. So the only way your government can get close to
    balancing the books is by cutting entitlements.
    I don’t agree that people who can’t work and still have medical bills should have their benefits cut off after five years, just because they don’t meet the government’s threshold.

    Surely there are other options for reducing premiums which you could consider?

    Similar schemes in New Zealand and Victoria have run up billion dollar deficits. And they’re underwritten by their governments. Ours won’t be.

    When our scheme fails, the insurers could simply walk away.

    I am also curious as to why your government won’t release costings and are in such a rush to push this flawed idea through?

    Yours sincerely,


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    If that goes thru i'll have to giving up on riding no way i can pay 1200+ dollars on ctp only, i won't be the only one and i can imagine the increase of unregistered/not insured on the road. All this to put law abiding citizens closer to the edge and become public ennemies. The greed of our technocrats is a damocles sword just waiting for the day to fall, hope i will be there to see the damages
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    Now is the time to slap them for failure to release the two Ernst and Young reports on CTP in SNW.

    One audits the CTP scheme from 2010.

    The other is the report on the costs and implications of the new CTP Legislation.

    Have a say on what you think needs to be done.

    Closes 17th June 2013

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