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    And where yr gonna go then ?
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    They'll soon get sick of it.
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    I feel I owe ostriches an apololgy. They just stick their heads in the sand; not up their arses!

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    Fight it.

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    AMC is reputed to be fundraising to assist in a legal challenge to these laws. Is it possible we may, as a collective, assist their efforts in some way, or am I going to start seeing pigs (four legged) flying across the sky!

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin View Post
    ..........http://www.news.com.au/national-news...-1226743880451

    THE peak body representing recreational bikers wants the High Court to quash Queensland's new bikie gang laws because they are being used against innocent riders.

    The Australian Motorcycle Council (AMC) is collecting evidence that shows the unprecedented crackdown on criminal gangs is leading to other bike riders being harassed by police.
    AMC chairman Shaun Lennard today said the council would this week open a fighting fund to back any approved legal challenge to the Queensland measures legislated last week.

    The laws were devised by the government of Premier Campbell Newman after a brawl between rival gangs on the Gold Coast. Police have been instructed to use them to drive bikie gangs out of the state.
    "The AMC maintains our position that we support any reasonable law enforcement action aimed at targeting crime. But what we're seeing in Queensland is not reasonable, and it's not targeted," Mr Lennard said.

    "The Queensland Government might claim that these laws are only aimed at 26 proscribed clubs, but what we're seeing on the ground is different. The action is targeted alright - potentially at every recreational motorcyclist."
    "We have been inundated with requests of how people can support a challenge to these laws. The Australian Motorcycle Council is not taking legal action. We are providing a secure and independent place for people from across the country to make donations."

    Mr Lennard said existing laws should be used to fight crime.

    He said there had been reports on social media of riders being stopped from one end of Queensland to the other, with police telling them it's all part of an information-gathering campaign.
    He said the AMC had worked with a range of governments on such issues as traffic congestion reduction and safety measures.

    "But this is different. This is simply about defending people's right to ride, and to mix with friends," he said.

    The Australian Motorcycle Council will open a fighting fund on Monday (28.10.13) to raise money for any High Court challenge to the laws enacted in Queensland Parliament last week.

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    It can't happen here? ABC news just reported that QLD police raided Vietnam Vets clubhouse. These guys, according to the official propaganda at the time, fought and had friends get killed or permanently mentally scarred to preserve our 'freedom'. Nice one Mr Newman!

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    Queensland bikie laws breach international fair trial standards


    http://www.amnesty.org.au/news/comments/33255/

    Queensland's new bike laws do away with the notion of innocent until proven guilty which could lead to arbitrary detentions and an undermining of the independence of the judiciary.

    Amnesty is concerned prosecutions under the new Queensland bikie laws
    fail to meet international fair trial standards..... Continued on link

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    Quote Originally Posted by rat View Post
    Queensland bikie laws breach international fair trial standards


    http://www.amnesty.org.au/news/comments/33255/
    Exactly, i was talking about it with a mate at work and it is so unconstitutional , it just take away your right as citizen to walk freely on a free land , last time people were arrested for not "fitting in" was in 1940, i guess they will reopen gas chambers too.
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    Taken from www.GuestLawyers.com.au

    Here are some practical examples of how the Act may apply in relatively minor situations.


    Example 1

    John Smith is a member of the Yeronga Bulls Rugby Union Club. After losing the elimination final to the Sherwood Falcons, John and his teammates head to the RE hotel for their official end-of-season function. A number of the members of the Sherwood Falcons are also having (celebratory) drinks at the RE. During the course of the evening an argument breaks out between the two groups about the afternoon’s game. The argument turns physical and John is arrested for the offence of affray. John is an engineering student, with no criminal history. He pleads guilty in Brisbane Magistrates Court and receives a $1,500 fine with no conviction recorded. Unfortunately for John, the VLAD act is enlivened. His football club is a relevant association and he has committed the declared offence of affray while participating in the teams affairs at their official function. Unless he can prove otherwise, he is a vicious lawful associate and will be required to serve 15 years in prison.


    As mentioned previously, a natural reaction perhaps is to assume that John wouldn’t have a problem, as engaging in fights in public is not likely to be regarded to be one of the purposes of the Yeronga Bulls Reserves. But the Prosecution do not have to prove that it is. It is up to John to prove that this is not the case. Imagine then that John or any of his teammates had been involved in an altercation after a game on a previous occasion or that there had been any vaguely threatening text messages or face-book updates (from any of the team-mates) concerning the Sherwood Falcons or any other teams. In those circumstances, there is a real prospect that John would be not be able to prove that he isn’t a vicious lawless associate, and accordingly the judge or magistrate would have no choice but to sentence John to 15 years imprisonment in addition to the fine. If John happened to also be a treasurer of the club, he would be spend the next 25 years in jail.



    Example 2

    Daniel Jones is a member of the Northern Suburbs Commodore Car Enthusiasts Club. Daniel engages in online forums on the organisation’s website and displays his car at the regular show and shine events. On one Thursday evening, during the show and shine, Daniel gets in his car and performs a burnout on the road. He is seen by a passing police patrol and followed. Daniel attempts to evade the police for a short period of time during which he speeds. After being overtaken by the police vehicle he pulls over and is charged and pleads guilty to the offence of dangerous operation of a motor vehicle. He is sentenced to a 6 month wholly suspended sentence in the District Court but because the offence was committed while he was participating in the affairs of the car club, unless he can prove otherwise he will be regarded as a vicious lawless associate and spend the next 15 or 25 in prison. Again, if the police had previously been required to shut down show and shine events due to street racing or there were posts on the online forums in which burnouts, racing or other dangerous racing were boasted about, Daniel may have difficulty proving that dangerous driving was not a purpose of the club and will automatically spend 15 to 25 years in custody.



    Concluding thoughts

    The government has sold the VLAD Act to the public as a highly targeted piece of legislation, designed to disrupt and dismantle the illegal activities of outlaw motorcycle clubs. As the examples given in this article show, this is clearly not the case[6]. The incredibly broad drafting of the legislation and the fact that the onus of proof is on the defendant to prove that the association does not purposefully conduct illegal activities means that the act will apply in a whole host of circumstances which were never envisaged by the government, and individuals, who are by and large law abiding citizens, could find themselves behind bars for up to twenty-five years as a result of committing relatively minor offences.



    The public debate on this issue has been largely been characterized by unhelpful name calling and hyperbole and amidst all this noise much of the real import of the legislation seems to have been glossed over. One thing that both sides would agree on, however, is that the legislation marks a significant change to Queensland’s legal landscape. That being the case, it is vitally important that the public is made aware of the ramifications of the new laws, so that it can engage in a considered and fully informed debate on the issue.

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