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    Quote Originally Posted by admin View Post
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    A big thank you to those riders who attended this morning’s Lane Filtering birthday and cake cutting ceremony.

    Despite the rain we had 2 dozen attendees and it cleared up in time for the thank you to the dignitaries.

    Those in attendance were Parliamentary Secretary and Member for Drummoyne John Sidoti, Centre For Road Safety Acting General Manager Bernard Carlon and Inspector Phillip Brooks NSW Highway Patrol along with representatives from Centre For Road Safety and Transport for NSW.

    Once again a big thanks to Duncan Gay for implementing Lane Filtering and Happy Birthday.

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    Turning car v lane-splitting bike: who's at fault?

    By Wade O’Leary, Advocacy & Community Content Manager

    It’s the debate that has been rippling across social media for days and has hordes of Members asking: who’s at fault?

    Dash Cams Australia (DCA) posted footage of a car turning right across stationary traffic at Canterbury Rd, Bankstown in Sydney’s south-west when a black bike suddenly emerged from between the vehicles.

    With the black-clad rider almost impossible to see against the black Subaru in the outer lane, the driver apparently doesn’t notice the impending collision until split-seconds before it happens.

    The car comes to a stop just as the apparently unaware P-plate biker hits the grille of the vehicle and is sent sprawling.

    Thankfully, there were no injuries but DCA claims the person who supplied the footage says the insurance company is struggling to decide who is at fault – and therefore liable – and the response from our Members also indicates a close split of opinions.

    Of the 175 responses recorded beneath our share of the clip, 71 blame the biker while 58 say the car driver is at fault – but many acknowledged the competing claims of both parties.

    “As a fully licenced rider and driver, I believe the rider is at fault,” Ryan W says.

    “Lane filtering when not authorised is classed as lane splitting, therefore the rider was engaged in an illegal act and automatically at fault.

    “I’d love to see how it would pan out if the rider was fully licenced though.”

    “The facts of this matter are he was a P-plater and (they) aren't allowed to lane filter,” Matt L says, explaining why the biker’s act was technically illegal.

    “Otherwise that car is at fault, so full licences drivers beware you'd lose that insurance claim.”

    Other commenters felt the answer was clear-cut.

    “There is no way the car driver can envisage that a bike rider would create a third lane for himself at that moment,” Dearnne R says.

    “The car driver was making a legitimate right hand turn in front of two stationary cars taking up two lanes – there is no third lane for the bike rider.”

    “(The) car driver (is) supposed to give way to all oncoming traffic – period,” Michael J says.

    “Substitute the motorcyclist for a cyclist - who would be at fault?

    “The car driver, of course: just because the motorcyclist is not riding particularly safely, doesn't mean it's 'open slather' to take him/her out.”

    “The driver, even though the traffic remained stopped on the left, should never have entered the wrong side of the road until the lane was clear for exactly the reason that eventuated,” Frances M says.

    “Just because the stationary drivers were courteous enough to remain stationary to allow the oncoming car to turn in front of them does not make it a legal turn.”

    So what do the experts think?

    Vehicle and motoring expert Jack Haley says there are no specific laws regarding collisions resulting from motorbikes filtering through stationary traffic.

    “If the cops get involved they would pin the bike rider for being a P and filtering, and the car driver would not be expecting a bike from between the two cars,” he said.

    “However, the rules say you have to turn across a road with safety and give way.”

    But NRMA has received legal advice – backed by the NSW Highway Patrol – that the motorcyclist is most likely to be found to be in the wrong on the basis that the biker was not legally lane-filtering at the time of the collision due their provisional licence status.

    It is also possible that police would decide the motorcycle was travelling in excess of the 30km/h speed limit set for lane-splitting under 2014 Road Rule 151-1, which is a law unique to NSW and not part of the Australian Road Rules.

    A spokesperson for the Centre for Road Safety confirmed bikers who attempted lane splitting were subject to 'strict conditions'.

    "Only fully licensed motorcyclists are allowed to lane filter and they must only lane filter when it is safe - L and P plate motorcycles are not permitted to lane filter," she said.

    "Motorcyclists must only lane filter when travelling less than 30 km/h and can only undertake this through stationary and slow moving traffic.

    "Motorcyclists caught moving between traffic at over 30km/h face heavy fines and three demerit points under the offence called ‘lane splitting’."


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    STRA NSW are investigating how riders are using lane filtering and other means of getting through traffic.

    You are invited to complete the attached survey and tell us about the experience you have in managing traffic.

    The results of the survey will be used to assist riders (especially new riders) to manage traffic effectively.

    A copy of the survey is attached. Or you can find the survey on our webpage at http://www.survivetheride.org/riders/

    Thanks for your assistance.

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    Turning car v lane-splitting bike: who's at fault?

    By Wade O’Leary, Advocacy & Community Content Manager

    It’s the debate that has been rippling across social media for days and has hordes of Members asking: who’s at fault?

    Dash Cams Australia (DCA) posted footage of a car turning right across stationary traffic at Canterbury Rd, Bankstown in Sydney’s south-west when a black bike suddenly emerged from between the vehicles.

    With the black-clad rider almost impossible to see against the black Subaru in the outer lane, the driver apparently doesn’t notice the impending collision until split-seconds before it happens.

    The car comes to a stop just as the apparently unaware P-plate biker hits the grille of the vehicle and is sent sprawling.

    Thankfully, there were no injuries but DCA claims the person who supplied the footage says the insurance company is struggling to decide who is at fault – and therefore liable – and the response from our Members also indicates a close split of opinions.

    Of the 175 responses recorded beneath our share of the clip, 71 blame the biker while 58 say the car driver is at fault – but many acknowledged the competing claims of both parties.

    “As a fully licenced rider and driver, I believe the rider is at fault,” Ryan W says.

    “Lane filtering when not authorised is classed as lane splitting, therefore the rider was engaged in an illegal act and automatically at fault.

    “I’d love to see how it would pan out if the rider was fully licenced though.”

    “The facts of this matter are he was a P-plater and (they) aren't allowed to lane filter,” Matt L says, explaining why the biker’s act was technically illegal.

    “Otherwise that car is at fault, so full licences drivers beware you'd lose that insurance claim.”

    Other commenters felt the answer was clear-cut.

    “There is no way the car driver can envisage that a bike rider would create a third lane for himself at that moment,” Dearnne R says.

    “The car driver was making a legitimate right hand turn in front of two stationary cars taking up two lanes – there is no third lane for the bike rider.”

    “(The) car driver (is) supposed to give way to all oncoming traffic – period,” Michael J says.

    “Substitute the motorcyclist for a cyclist - who would be at fault?

    “The car driver, of course: just because the motorcyclist is not riding particularly safely, doesn't mean it's 'open slather' to take him/her out.”

    “The driver, even though the traffic remained stopped on the left, should never have entered the wrong side of the road until the lane was clear for exactly the reason that eventuated,” Frances M says.

    “Just because the stationary drivers were courteous enough to remain stationary to allow the oncoming car to turn in front of them does not make it a legal turn.”

    So what do the experts think?

    Vehicle and motoring expert Jack Haley says there are no specific laws regarding collisions resulting from motorbikes filtering through stationary traffic.

    “If the cops get involved they would pin the bike rider for being a P and filtering, and the car driver would not be expecting a bike from between the two cars,” he said.

    “However, the rules say you have to turn across a road with safety and give way.”

    But NRMA has received legal advice – backed by the NSW Highway Patrol – that the motorcyclist is most likely to be found to be in the wrong on the basis that the biker was not legally lane-filtering at the time of the collision due their provisional licence status.

    It is also possible that police would decide the motorcycle was travelling in excess of the 30km/h speed limit set for lane-splitting under 2014 Road Rule 151-1, which is a law unique to NSW and not part of the Australian Road Rules.

    A spokesperson for the Centre for Road Safety confirmed bikers who attempted lane splitting were subject to 'strict conditions'.

    "Only fully licensed motorcyclists are allowed to lane filter and they must only lane filter when it is safe - L and P plate motorcycles are not permitted to lane filter," she said.

    "Motorcyclists must only lane filter when travelling less than 30 km/h and can only undertake this through stationary and slow moving traffic.

    "Motorcyclists caught moving between traffic at over 30km/h face heavy fines and three demerit points under the offence called ‘lane splitting’."


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    p plate riders should not be lane filtering!!! too many p plate riders think they are rossi already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vergil View Post
    p plate riders should not be lane filtering!!! too many p plate riders think they are rossi already.
    By law there not allowed to.

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    Motorcyclists must only lane filter when travelling less than 30 km/h and can only undertake this through stationary and slow moving traffic.
    Too many also don't seem to realise speed limit and restrictions
    For that bike to hit car means was not following any of the rules of filtering IMO

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    Lane Filtering Survey

    http://www.survivetheride.org/riders/

    Thanks to the feedback from the riders who have completed the survey.
    We have reduced the survey to just 10 questions and put it on-line via our website and Facebook.

    www.survivetheride.org/riders/

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