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    Exclamation Motorcycle helmet cams

    Hi all,
    Just been looking at a post of Facebook today and one of our local riders has just been pulled over and fined for having a GoPro mounted on his helmet.

    Is there a clear law around this? I certainly haven’t heard of it unless it’s deemed as modifying the helmet and therefore no longer compliant.

    I saw a couple of other posts and one fellow stated, when pulled over by police for the same offence, that he’d recently been cleaned up by a truck whilst he was riding and had trouble proving who was at fault. Since that time, he’s fitted a camera and runs it wherever he goes.

    Is this the next issue the motorcyling lobbies need to address?

    Thoughts anyone?

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    This subject is very current and shrouded in fairy tales.

    I’m waiting to hear back on outcome of a similar matter that was in Court last week.

    Our view is that the helmet became “approved” prior to being sold.

    Approval is signified by the required “mark”.

    The standard is relevant only to the claim made on the sticker.

    If the issue is seen to be “compliance with the standard” for “approval”, then the interpretation must rely upon the helmet being identical in every way to when it passed through conformity assessment.

    Hence, it cannot be worn or used.

    Putting a sticker on a helmet is enough to vary the helmet from being identical to when it passed through conformity assessment.

    Any rider who is not carting around the Instructions for Use and Care that came with the helmet, would then have an un-approved helmet.

    The Standard requires this at Section 9.

    Similarly, if the internal labelling has become faded or illegible over time, then the helmet has to be classed as “unapproved”.

    This approach is clearly farcical.

    There is no regulation that cancels that approval.

    There is no regulation that restricts or regulates addition of an accessory to a helmet (communicators, Mohawks, stickers, reflectors, brake light repeaters, cameras, visors, etc)

    The Police have to make the case and demonstrate the regulation by which approval of the helmet is negated because of the specific accessory.

    The standard is not a regulation that provides for this.

    We have formed the view that as long as the sticker is present, the helmet retains “approval” for use on NSW roads.
    THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE
    GoPro on Helmets

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    I have heard the same thing about getting booked , It was in Vic the one i heard about .
    Someone in Qld checked up and is not a bookable offence up here as police have go-pro on there helmets .
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    Heard of that too it's BS, if you ever get a fine for have a GOPRO on your helmet fight it, there is NO law against mounting anything on your helmet as long it doesn't damage the integrity like drilling a hole, suction cups are fine like screw with clamp like with a bluetooth. With a countless numbers of riders having a cam on their helmets, they'll need reinforcement to get them all. Once again the only cases have heard were in QLD and VIC, we should build a bridge they'd leave all the cool cats of NSW alone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chef View Post
    Heard of that too it's BS, if you ever get a fine for have a GOPRO on your helmet fight it, there is NO law against mounting anything on your helmet as long it doesn't damage the integrity like drilling a hole, suction cups are fine like screw with clamp like with a bluetooth. With a countless numbers of riders having a cam on their helmets, they'll need reinforcement to get them all. Once again the only cases have heard were in QLD and VIC, we should build a bridge they'd leave all the cool cats of NSW alone
    http://motorbikewriter.com/clarifica...unted-cameras/

    Clarification on legality of GoPro

    If you are fined for having a GoPro or similar camera mounted to your motorcycle helmet, fight it.

    A complaint on Facebook says a rider in Victoria was fined for wearing a Go Pro on their helmet and there have been unsubstantiated claims that riders In Queensland have been harassed by police for having cameras on their helmets.

    WHAT TO DO IF PULLED OVER BY POLICE

    However, there is no law against fitting anything to a helmet, so long as it does not corrupt the “structural integrity” of the helmet, which means you can’t drill holes in the helmet.

    Cameras that are stuck, fitted via a suction cap, or screwed to the side via a clamp are fine. So are Bluetooth units attached in a similar fashion.

    So if you are issued a ticket for having a camera fitted in this fashion, take a photo of the helmet at the time of the ticket being issued, don’t pay the fine, and fight the offence.

    The Australian Standards says that no protrusion of greater than 5mm is allowed, but that refers to the manufacturing process as opposed to aftermarket products such as cameras and Bluetooth.

    If a camera or other device is screwed into the helmet by drilling holes then it is interfering with the structural integrity of the helmet and the safety of the rider, and an offence is committed.
    [In Queensland it is an offence for riders under the Transport Operations (Road Use Management—Road Rules) Regulation 2009 Section 270 (1) (a) Wearing motorbike helmets; and for for passengers it is under Transport Operations (Road Use Management—Road Rules) Regulation 2009 Section 271(2).]
    In Queensland, the penalty is $330 and three points. Queensland police did not have any records of anyone being fined.

    It would be strange if they did fine anyone for such an offence given recent comments suggesting cyclists fit them to their helmets to collect evidence of drivers intimidating them on the roads.

    Also, be aware that police may and have confiscated helmet cams for evidence of traffic offences.
    Motorcycle helmet cams legal, but are they safe?

    >> http://motorbikewriter.com/motorcycl...are-they-safe/


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    Quote Originally Posted by admin View Post
    Motorcycle helmet cams legal, but are they safe?

    Cary Murphy, who imports the innovative Reevu helmet, says attaching a camera or Bluetooth unit to a helmet could have safety, aerodynamic and legal issues. He has called on the government to assess the issue.
    “Some particular brands of cameras I believe are a hazard on race tracks, roads, helmets, cars, bikes, anything.”
    He says these cameras are not aerodynamic which could result in riders being fatigued by buffeting and uneven weight distribution; exposed to sudden wind gusts, especially large vehicles passing in the opposite direction; and unable to judge the correct space if any urgent head movement is required such as ducking or diving.
    “These may sound insignificant, and a little trivial, however the offset weight and uneven airflow can greatly increase fatigue, lead to distractions and also cause an imbalance in perception. Just one of these issues can have deadly consequences,”

    This to me is BS
    Cant see how will make any difference at normal allowed speeds

    Others views?

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    Interesting article on go pro cams
    http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/56962...m#.VFP4F2d00b1
    The GoPro Cam mounted on Michael Schumacher's helmet when he crashed and slammed his head into a rock while skiing in the French Alps in December is reportedly what caused the seven-time world champion's brain injury. Following Schumacher's skiing accident, the Formula One driver has been left in a medically-induced coma for nearly six months.

    Doctors have previously said that Schumacher would not have survived the accident if it weren't for the helmet that he was wearing. However, French commentator Jean-Louis Moncet said that what worsened Schumacher's condition wasn't really the crash, but the GoPro camera attached to his helmet.
    "The problem for Michael was not the hit, but the mounting of the GoPro camera that he had on his helmet that injured his brain," Moncet told Europe 1 radio station.
    Did the GoPro camera really weakened Schumacher's helmet? In a news report by The Telegraph, experts have conveyed the likelihood of the camera weakening the helmet. Tests have been carried out on the helmet where a GoPro camera was mounted. The helmet was broken, but the GoPro camera attached to it was left "undamaged." Experts are still working on more tests to find out if the camera had indeed debilitated the helmet.
    The GoPro stocks immediately dropped after the claims that it had caused Schumacher's brain injuries, the New York Post reports. It reportedly closed at $76.67 per share on Oct. 13. However, the issue about Schumacher may have not been the only reason for the stocks decline. After the camera's debut in June, GoPro's stock price climed to as high as $98.47 on Oct. 7 and then dropped 15 percent down on Oct. 10.
    Schumacher has woken up from a medically-induced coma in June. He was transferred to a medical facility in Lausanne. In September, Schumacher was brought home after spending eight weeks in Lausanne. He is currently undergoing rehabilitation in his private villa in Lake Geneva, Switzerland. A total of 15 medical staff including nurses, physical therapists, and doctors are helping Schumacher with his recovery. Latest news as per Schumacher's son suggests that the Formula One (F1) champion is waking up slowly.
    Schumacher is considered as one of the greatest F1 racers in history. He has won seven world titles (1994 - 1995, 2000 - 2004) during his racing career. He officially retired from the sport at the age of 43 in 2012.
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    They'll ban motorcycling altogether soon

    http://motorbikewriter.com/loopholes...elmet-cameras/
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    And now tinted visors, the gov is looking for a revolt, no wonder they disarmed their citizens

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1227147660982

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    how can tinted visors be illegal and sunnys are not
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